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  • Profile photo of anurags anurags anurags anurags @anurags

    http://psir4upsc.blogspot.in/ for psir 2018 preparation. Only serious aspirants can comment on the questions posted there daily and practice answer writing. Sample links will also be provided by me for reference. This could be a great learning initiative as not much psir blogs are available. I request all of u to kindly come and contribute to the blog by sharing your views and answers, as im also a learner in this regard. http://psir4upsc.blogspot.in/

  • Profile photo of Maheshwar Dua Maheshwar Dua @maheshwar-dua

    Discuss key features of pre-marxist socialist theory.

  • Profile photo of Nandita B Nandita B @nandita-b

    Justify the statement “Too much of Equality would be dilution of Liberty” with some examples ?

    • Profile photo of madmax 1 madmax 1 @madmax-1

      Equality and liberty have been the 2 guiding principles for governments around the world. The Indian Constitution envisages the holy trinity of Liberty, equality and fraternity.However in practice, achieving harmony among them is far from easy.

      To ensure equality, Liberty of a person or a group of person has to be stifled. This happens because Liberty is a negative right; a right not to be interfered with, whereas Equality is something that has to be enforced. This means coercion of an individual to whose disadvantage this enforcement works.

      For instance, uniforms are a means of inculcating equality among workers or students. But this means divorcing from them the liberty to wear what they want. Another example is minimum wage; an unemployed person may be willing to work below minimum wage. But the state enforces equality by requiring him to work at minimum wage, even if this means not working at all !!

      The entire debate between Capitalism and Socialism has been one based on Liberty Vs Equality. While a Capitalist society values liberty, a socialist one values Equality. For long, political scientists have been searching for the elusive balance between them and the current compromise seems to be a form of social democracy/ developmental democracy, where state ensures a minimum set of rights and a certain amount of redistribution.

  • Profile photo of Subhajeet Chakraborti Subhajeet Chakraborti @subhajeet-chakraborti

    How justified is the claim that Locke is the most important influence upon Rawlsian Justice?

  • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

    I’ll post by tomorrow morning..

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Questions from next thinker (J S Mill )-
    “The only freedom that deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good, in our own way.”(JS Mill)Comment. All the members are requested to post answers to questions and their questions also.

    • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

      J.s Mill belonged to the time of transition. He belonged to the time when people were realising the negative consequencesof negativeliberty but we’re still not clear with the idea of positive liberty or welfare state. Mill considers himself as the disciple of Bentham who is known as the FATHER OF UTILITARIANISM and hence mill’s ideas at also individual centric rather than state centric.According to Mill a person’s choices and even his ethics are derived by his utility over which a person is sovereign and should be given complete freedom.
      Liberty is the core value of liberalism and it is said that if anyone is liberal it is JS Mill,no one before Mill provided systematic view of liberty. According to Mill liberty is essential for full development of the individual. According to Mill over his body and mind an individual is sovereign. All restraints qua restraints are evil. He describes that most important freedom is the freedom to speech and expression ,it is a gift of the god to humans and state shall not deny that freedom to anyone. In words of JS Mill “All silencing the opinion is an assumption of infallibility”.
      Hence the only freedom that a state can provide to an individual is to fulfill his desires in the way he likes and state should act just as a guarantee rather than a regulatee.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Discuss Machiavelli’s Doctrine of Aggrandizement/Power Politics.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    During the period of Renaissance, all social relationship underwent major transformation. In place of the old, static and hierarchical society of medieval world, there emerged a new and dynamic social order. A new economic man emerged with the beginning of modern capitalism. Corresponding the economic man of the Renaissance, there was an emergence of a self-made politician who dint of his skill could wrest a state for himself. At least this was possible in Machiavelli’s Italy, which was divided into a series of small States that frequently changed hands.
    As a product of Renaissance, Machiavelli believed that life is best which brings fame,distinction, honour and reputation to an individual. To attain these ends ,power is required.
    The individualism and secularism that characterized the Italian Renaissance are dominant themes in Machiavelli’s thinking. Prince demonstrates an extensive knowledge of Greek and Roman history and is consistent with the new -found love for antiquity of the Renaissance. Machiavelli was, in every sense of word,a true’ renaissance man’.
    Alongside the development of the modern individual was the beginning of the modern state. The idea of the modern state, omnipotent and omnicompetent, was worked out. The Prince had to take charge of everything. More than any other thinker or philosopher, it was Machiavelli who could understand the dynamics of this modern state and modern individual.
    In conclusion, it would not be an exaggeration to agree with Laski who stated that”the whole renaissance is in Machiavelli.

  • Profile photo of Maheshwar Dua Maheshwar Dua @maheshwar-dua

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  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Today’s question-“The whole Renaissance is in Machiavelli.”Laski.Comment.

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    Attached.. plzz review.. and someone plzz post their answer as well..

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    • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

      Aristotle was the first thinker who separated politics from ethics but kept politics subservient to ethics and Machiavelli was the first modern political thinker who separated politics from ethics but kept ethics subservient to politics.
      You can add- Machiavelli was the first modern political thinker,
      -used the first time the word state and defined in terms of population, territory, government and sovereignty.
      -adviced the Prince to maintain balance of power in proximity of one’s own territory by helping the weaker side
      -was the first empiricist pragmatic political thinker

    • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

      Thnxx bro.. I’ll note down ur points as well.. post new questions.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Comment on the assertion of Laslett that Filmer and not Hobbes was not the main antagonist of Locke.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    We will finish Machiavelli. Then,next in the row will be Mill,Marx,Gramsci,misc…so,prepare and post accordingly and after these we will start political theory.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Critically analyse Machiavelli’s contributions to political thought.

  • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

    Let’s start from tomorrow with quest from Locke

  • Profile photo of aniruddh shrivastava aniruddh shrivastava @aniruddh-shrivastava

    Hi everyone, are we following any specific pattern for posting questions?

    If not, we can start from tomorrow onwards.

    • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

      We should continue from locke

    • Profile photo of aniruddh shrivastava aniruddh shrivastava @aniruddh-shrivastava

      I think answer writing on this forum is not regular. Join me in making it regular.

      Please respond.

    • Profile photo of madmax 1 madmax 1 @madmax-1

      Is there any othe forum for answer writing?

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      @aniruddh-shrivastava We were actually following the pattern. We were covering western political thinkers and have moved on to Hobbes and Locke questions on whom have been covered from this year’s paper.

    • Profile photo of aniruddh shrivastava aniruddh shrivastava @aniruddh-shrivastava

      What next?

  • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

    Post questions.. from Western thinkers

  • Profile photo of Deepak Bawi Deepak Bawi @deepak-bawi

    great start !! anybody focused contender fromm chandigarh ?????

  • Profile photo of dpias@ dpias@ @dheerendra-parmar

    gajab thread, jai ho

  • Profile photo of Shubham gupta Shubham gupta @mintugupta6

    Q- Draw parrallel between machiavelli’s realist tradition and the tradition of arthashastra. (150 words)

  • Profile photo of Shubham gupta Shubham gupta @mintugupta6

    Machiavelli is narrowly dated, narrowly located.{sabine} Comment in 100 words

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    • Profile photo of Shubham gupta Shubham gupta @mintugupta6

      include ” view about religion, view about church ” role of church in state , is also derived byhis experience in italy.if he belonged to some other time and space , his assumption about human nature ,religion , chuch would not have been so pessimistic

    • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

      Bro can u leave a sample answer so I can comprehend better.

  • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

    Okk will see to it… Thanks bro..

  • Profile photo of logan dua logan dua @logandua

    Attached. First ever try . New to the subject. Plz review.

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    • Profile photo of Shubham gupta Shubham gupta @mintugupta6

      Please also write that ultimate aim of life is happiness, happiness is achieved by excellence, excellence can be attained by knowledge according to plato. Conclude effectively , rest context is good. In exam they may bind you by no. Of words (say 150 words only)

  • Profile photo of Shubham gupta Shubham gupta @mintugupta6

    No law or ordinance is mightier than knowledge.-plato. Comment.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Hobbes is individualist in his assumptions but absolutist in his conclusions.Elucidate.
    And. Hobbes assumes a state of nature in which each person is free to decide for oneself what one needs ,what one’s owed ,what is respectful,right,pious,prudent and also free to decide all of these questions for the behaviour of everyone else as well and act on one’s judgement and act on one’s judgement as one thinks best ,enforcing one’s views where one can.In this situation there is no common authority to resolve these many and serious disputes, we can easily imagine with Hobbes that state of nature would become” a state of war”,even worse, a war of all against all.
    So,people mutually covenant each to the others to obey a common authority,they have established what Hobbes calls “sovereignty by institution”.
    Although Hobbes offered some mild pragmatic grounds for absolute authority or we can say monarchy to others form of government. Its powers must neither be divided nor limited so that government that possesses all of the essential rights of sovereignty which can be reliably effective since these partial sets of essential rights are held by different bodies that disagree in their judgement as to what to be done, paralysis of effective government or degeneration into civil war to settle their disputes, may occur.
    To avoid the horrible prospect of governmental collapse and return to state of nature, people should treat their sovereign as having absolute authority.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      Hey @abhinashkumar! A good start highlighting individual qualities but I think there was less highlight on individualism of Hobbes. Few points:
      – Self-preservation of an individual was considered as supreme right and sovereign had to respect that.
      – Each individual was seen as ration, equal and independent party to the covenant
      – Sovereign was not a party to the covenant and hence can not be questioned and destroyed
      – Sovereign was restricted only by natural rights but was made the only interpreter of natural laws

      In short, highlighting the individual qualities and absolutist qualities would help I think.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    Q3. “I and fear were born together”

    Answer:
    Hobbes highlight Individual’s fear in the state of nature. An individual by his nature is selfish, egoistic and isolated. For an individual, society was a means for fulfilling his needs. Self-preservation for Hobbes was a supreme right for which an individual can take any extreme step. This led to huge mistrust in society. No individual could know what the other person is thinking and hence could not be trusted.

    Individual was creation of desires. Man ought to seek pleasure and avoid pain. There led to fights for competition, safety and power to rule among man. Due to this, there was fear among man.

    In this state of nature, the life of an individual was nasty and brutish. It was in grave danger and fear to convert to state of war. From this, Hobbes proposed his contract theory to create a civil society where peace would be achieved through creation of a sovereign to protect everyone.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    Q1. Hobbes is individualist in his assumptions but absolutist in his conclusions. Elucidate.

    Answer:
    Hobbes was the first of individualists who focused on individual rights to self-preservation. His theory of state was based on a mechanistic contract to which all humans were party as an independent rational individual. Through this contract was created a sovereign who was not a party to the contract.

    According to him, Sovereign is the only interpreter of all natural rights and has absolute powers over all humans. His powers are irrevocable as that would lead to chaos and anarchy.

    Freedom of an individual had to respect the laws made by the sovereign power and thus it was restricted in the end. People had to give up their rights except self-preservation for creating a peaceful civil society.

    Although the sovereign was created for individuals and to endure peace, the end result was an all powerful sovereign.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    “How would I and my fellow human beings behave if we were to find ourselves in a state of nature, and what does this behavior tell us about our innate dispositions?” (Thomas Hobbes) – Comment in 150 words.

    Answer:
    Thomas Hobbes, a 17th century political theorists believed that individuals were selfish. Human behaviour according to him good in general but in conditions of scarcity, they ought to work for themselves and self-preservation.

    In a state of nature, according to Hobbes, it was every man’s fight against every man. Humans could not trust each other and thus there was fear among everyone about every other man’s possible actions. Due to this, there was always a possibility of war and thus the life of an individual was brutish and nasty.

    According to him, in a state of nature, people were fighting because of three reasons:
    – Competition to posses material things due to scarcity
    – Difference as people could not trust they would fight for safety
    – Glory to rule over other by their innate powers

    He shows that conflict in inherent in human world due to lack of trustability, selfishness among all.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Let’s start with questions posted by Rahul..

  • Profile photo of Rahul Rahul @rahul-sangwan

    Some questions which I have on Hobbes –
    Q1. Hobbes is individualist in his assumptions but absolutist in his conclusions. Elucidate.
    Q2. Covenants without swords are nothing but words.
    Q3. “I and fear were born together”.
    Please add more!

    • Profile photo of Rahul Rahul @rahul-sangwan

      Question on Hobbes from today’s paper –
      “How would I and my fellow human beings behave if we were to find ourselves in a state of nature, and what does this behavior tell us about our innate dispositions?” (Thomas Hobbes) – Comment in 150 words.
      I’m going to put my answers up tomorrow.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Before Hobbes how many thinkers have been done…

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Okay.we should start Monday onwards.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    I am new in this group. So,anybody can tell something about ongoing process of question-answer initiative.

  • Profile photo of Abinash Kumar Abinash Kumar @abinashkumar

    Last question was updated on 19 Nov …why?

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      @abhinashkumar The group has been inactive because more people are needed to take it off. I got distracted a little midway. We should resume it from Hobbes.

    • Profile photo of Rahul Rahul @rahul-sangwan

      @kunalaggarwal, should we start questions from tomorrow?

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      I am up for it! @abhinashkumar – We gave done Plato, Aristotle.

      Even Machiavelli is also pending.

    • Profile photo of Rahul Rahul @rahul-sangwan

      @kunalaggarwal, @abinashkumar, @rajatsharma1704 – do any of you have some book with topic wise listing of previous year questions? Would be very useful to have a list of Hobbes questions.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      Nope!

  • Profile photo of Rajat Sharma Rajat Sharma @rajatsharma1704

    someone please review my answers…

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      Q.2 Discuss Hannah arendt theory of power?

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      Q.1 Discuss marxist theory of democracy?

    • Profile photo of Rajat Sharma Rajat Sharma @rajatsharma1704

      It is wrongly attached really sorry..

  • Profile photo of sandeep Tripathi sandeep Tripathi @sandeep-tripathi

    Hey Kunal y questions are not uploaded now a days

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

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    Question 2: Short note on Aristotle on Women and family!

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    Aristotle – Short note on Slavery

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    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      Good structure and nyc answer.

    • Profile photo of Ben Stark Ben Stark @benzen-stark

      Thank u for review..please tell where can i improve? I ‘l be submitting more answers.suggest improvement if possible.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      A good attempt @benzen-stark! However I felt you could have added few more things:
      – his acceptance of family as an institution important for men
      – his acceptance of property to satisfy one’s economic needs

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    Here we go for the day! 🙂

    Write short notes (100 – 150 words words) on Aristotle’s views on
    1. Slavery
    2. Wife and Family

  • Profile photo of alice singh alice singh @alicesingh1

    One page is not being uploaded..?

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      Hi @alicesingh1 .. content is good n relevant..but answer could hv bn framed better.

    • Profile photo of alice singh alice singh @alicesingh1

      Okay ,@ jitin I will take care of it next time. Thanks for your review

    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      gud points. a complete answer..nyc

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      Overall a good attempt. I don’t think Aristotle said men is “rational animal”. He said “social animal”

  • Profile photo of Akansha Singh Akansha Singh @singh3akansha3

    is n d arora political science book good for paper 1 section b ? or b l fadia is the only option?

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      I have heard B L Fadia as the recommended book for section b.

    • Profile photo of Akansha Singh Akansha Singh @singh3akansha3

      thank you

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      Good understanding of the topic n nice structure.

    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      THNK U..

    • Profile photo of alice singh alice singh @alicesingh1

      @scorp
      Nice answer
      Secondly you have got a very good handwriting

    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      thank you:)

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      Good points @msm-s and thanks for the review 🙂

      additions that can be done:
      – discuss the importance put on family and even property in state
      – Use of words like “self sufficiency”, “procreative functions” will enrich the answer

    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      thanks fr reviewing…wil definitly keep ur suggestions in mind

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal
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    Aristotle on human nature and polis!

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      gud presentation and nyc points..pls review mine

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    Question for the day: (Aristotle)

    The idea of Polis is central to Aristotle’s interpretation of man as a political animal. Comment. (200 words)

    • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

      Aristotle, one of the most original thinkers , advocated natural theory state. He believed in natural existence of state. For him state is the necessity of man, as no man is self sufficient in himself. Therefore, man is social n interacts with others to fulfill his needs. Further Aristotles conception of man’s interaction to fulfill his needs takes place at three levels ie family, village n state. N it is at this level of state or polis, a political community of men, that he able to fulfill his needs of highest order, ie his aspirations n use his wisdom. This is where man is different from all animals which r mostly social. Therefore his concept of man is a social animal revolves around the idea of polis.
      This idea of his has been one of the most used in political science. Contemporary concept of state in a democracy is completely centred around the concept that man is a political animal n it makes him part of politics through elections and more so with the instruments of direct democracy. Therefore, man is involved in the political decision making either directly or indirectly.

    • Profile photo of Scorp Scorp @msm-s

      nyc answer…pls review mine.

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    Marx classification

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    Learning through diagrams

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  • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

    Hi all, as we know not much time left in the exam. So lets move ahead, at least at some pace, to complement each other and make at least one contribution everyday to this thread. I guess we should move ahead of Ancient greek thinkers and seek grey and dark areas. Anybody having test series or coaching may post some challenging questions to get it going. Plz.

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    Questions for the day (Let’s repeat because none of us have answered):
    1. Discuss how Plato’s scheme of education are highly influenced by his conception of Justice.
    2. Write a short note on Plato’s community of wives and property.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    We will continue with Plato for tomorrow. Monday onwards should we start with Aristotle? @ayushisingh1393 @sandeep-tripathi @jitinsharma @alicesingh1 @monisha-s @kritajna @srivenr

    Questions for the day:
    1. Discuss how Plato’s scheme of education are highly influenced by his conception of Justice.
    2. Write a short note on Plato’s community of wives and property.

    • Profile photo of MsM MsM @monisha-s

      Yup nyc…

    • Profile photo of Kritajnamay Biswas Kritajnamay Biswas @kritajna

      sure

  • Profile photo of sandeep Tripathi sandeep Tripathi @sandeep-tripathi

    I too would like to join group…

  • Profile photo of sandeep Tripathi sandeep Tripathi @sandeep-tripathi

    Hi kunal… Nice initiative
    Let’s start

  • Profile photo of Wahid Iqbal Wahid Iqbal @wahidiqbal7

    May anybody tell me names of books which i hv to read to prepare ? I m from J&K.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      For political thoughts, I have been recommended book by Sushila Ramaswamy by a teacher. I read Plato from that and I think it was good.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      For political thoughts, I have been recommended book by Sushila Ramaswamy by a teacher. I read Plato from that and I think it was good.

    • Profile photo of Wahid Iqbal Wahid Iqbal @wahidiqbal7

      Thanks sir

    • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

      First understand theory part, v imp. :: Books OP Gauba and IGNOU Books
      and keeps a watch over international happenings…

    • Profile photo of Wahid Iqbal Wahid Iqbal @wahidiqbal7

      Ok sir. Thanks

  • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

    justice, for plato is virtue. Justice as mentioned in his Republic is moral in the sense like ethics that it is far from the legal constitutional sense of justice as well as rights of the individuals. His just state is one which protects the weaker from the strngest unlike sophists, for whom justice is the will of the strongest.
    His just state is more like the modern gandhian conception of state which advocates people to perform their duties rather than fighting for their rights, as when everyone starts doing their duties honestly, justice will automatically be there. Barker says, just state for plato is, when a farmers produces more (economic justice), soldier provides protection and kings or philosopher kings do the politics wisely for everyone welfare.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

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      @kunalaggarwal all is good. u cn mention karl popper’s criticism in this regard i believe. His advocacy of closed society is undemocratic.

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      @akshaykurtcobain good answer and nice content. HOWEVER, i feel more explanation of concept of philosopher king or the rule of the wisest seems more relevant to the question. Also democracy not good, distorted form is anarchy, common people not capable like learned philosophers. U cn also mention eg like his division of society into three classes. everyone should perform its function. His modern interpretations in totalitarian regimes can be mentioned as the conclusion.

    • Profile photo of AKSHAY BANSODE AKSHAY BANSODE @akshaykurtcobain

      Thanks friend for review!
      Was busy so was not able to reply before.
      And I agree with most of ur point and it’s good…will add it to my notes.

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    Let’s start with Plato (may be for 2 days) and go in order from here onwards. 🙂

    1. Explain the conception of Justice in Plato’s republic.
    2. Plato was an anti-democrat and supporter of aristocracy. Explain.

  • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

    2. Locke is an individualist in and out.
    Locke is considered to be the father of liberalism, which revolves around the individuals. Unlike, Hobbes, being a witness to the realtively peaceful times of England, he considers man to social in nature. For him, individual is born in the state of nature with some natural rights and for the preservation of theses natural rights and protecting it from getting in conflict with others’ natural rights, he brings up a police state. His theory of state is the result of a social contact among individuals which takes over several rights of the individuals except natural rights available in the state of nature. Apart from life and liberty, he considers the individual’s right to an unclaimed property where he has put in his labor, as natural rights. Therefore, he starts as well as ends as an individualist. His state comes into being only as the protector state with limited powers, which the individuals can take back if their natural rights are voiolated.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      @jitinsharma

      Though I am myself not very well versed. You could have used pointed out
      – separation of society and state
      – free and equal man

      I have heard that using technical terms (inalienability and inviolability of natural rights) fetch better marks.

    • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

      @kunalaggarwal use of technical words sounds right.. bt i dont know many.. thnx

  • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

    1. Hobbes is the greatest of all individualists.
    Hobbes was the first liberal thinker who starts with the Individual as the center and his thoughts, inspired by the civil war revolves around nature of individuals that for him is anarchic. For him all individuals are almost equal in strength and are always in the state of war, capable of killing each other. Therefore his origin of state lies its origin in the mechanistic theory, where individuals surrender their natural rights as they had in the state of nature to the state. The state, a soveriegn, for him, is borne out of the social contract among individuals and his all powerful to prevent individuals from harming each others. Therefore, he starts as an individualist but progresses toward an absolute state.
    However, he considers the self preservation as the ultimate liberty of an individual for which he brought up leviathan into existence and empowers individuals to destroy leviathan if that very self preservation is threatened. Therefore, he is considered the greatest individualist.

  • Profile photo of alice singh alice singh @alicesingh1

    Hi I would like to join the group

  • Profile photo of Kritajnamay Biswas Kritajnamay Biswas @kritajna

    Hi I am in. We should start with thinkers, One thinker per two/three days should be okay.

  • Profile photo of Appandairaj Ananthakumar Appandairaj Ananthakumar @appandai26cs

    PSIR optional here

  • Profile photo of Root Root @root

    Thanks for the lead on this @kunalaggarwal and @ers | We are making this thread official now. Users can chip in daily with answers & reviews on the topics mentioned by you guys.

  • Profile photo of MsM MsM @monisha-s

    Hi everyone..even i wuld like to join the group

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    @ers @ayushisingh1393 @srivenr @nancydrew We should go in order and decide on one thinker per day.
    1. Plato
    2. Aristotle
    3. Machiavelli
    4. Hobbes
    5. Locke
    6. Mill
    7. Marx
    8. Gramsci
    9. Hannah Arendt

    Should we have more like Mao, Bentham? or restrict only to clearly ones mentioned in syllabus?

    • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

      Hii, kunal. these are enough as their criticism, support, comparisons etc will automatically require other thinkers eg bentham while doing mills.
      So we can contribute different dimensions of these thinkers.
      Lets say, start with Plato or Aristotle n know about their critiques today or their relevance in the theories of modern thinkers eg Hannah Arnedts’ civic republicanism (Aristotle). ?????

  • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

    1. Hobbes is the greatest of all individualists.
    ———————
    – Hobbes was a radical individualist who proposed the mechanistic conception of nature for the first time
    – He put individual’s natural rights at the centre to analyse state of nature
    – He proposed that man has natural right to enjoy, to use his power for the preservation of his own self and consequently do anything in his own judgement.
    – Based on these natural rights and state of war in nature, he proposed a state model to attain peace. This peace was proposed by people to help themselves.
    – Man could achieve peace even through war which is an extreme form of individual right
    – Even in the civil society, no man can surrender the right to self preservation according to Hobbes.

    2. Locke is an individualist in and out
    ———————
    – Locke believed in a peaceful state of nature where man live in harmony. However to control certain unsocial people, they enter into a contract to form a state.
    – Natural rights proposed by Locke included Right to life, liberty and property.
    – These rights are inalienable and inviolable
    – Locked treated all men free and equal and judge of his own actions
    – He went to the extreme of saying that nobody has a right to destroy himself or any other man
    – He separated society and state. Society is pre-condition to state. This means people and their organisation is supreme.
    – According to Locke, property of an individual can not be taken without consent.
    – He proclaimed etilmate sovereignty of people and justified the overthrow of government by people if rights are violated.

  • Profile photo of MsM MsM @monisha-s

    Hi everyone..even i wuld like to join the group @kunalaggarwal count me in and when r v gonna start

  • Profile photo of Er S Er S @ers

    Lets stop discussing and start.
    Paper 1 Section 1 > Political Thinkers.
    Difficulty : High
    1. Hobbes is the greatest of all individualists.
    2. Locke is an individualist out and out.
    -> both previous year questions. Lets see how people knit the concept of individualism with these scholars.

  • Profile photo of Nabal Kumar Nabal Kumar @nabalkumar1993

    Hi
    PSIR is my optional. have no more idea.
    Yes!! starts the initiative…..

  • Profile photo of Aishwarya Pankaj Aishwarya Pankaj @aishwaryapankaj

    Hi I am from PSIR optional. Would love to contribute to group if we create one.

  • Profile photo of Naresh Krishna Naresh Krishna @puttapartinaresh

    Hi! guys,iam from PSIR with no experience of mains,but will try to discuss effectively and efficiently..PLZ add me…

  • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

    K,,writing mains fr 1st time… working.
    lets come up with a plan…
    Anyone wants to take initiative??
    I think we can start with Indian thinkers and their unique thoughts. Or Hannah Arendt??

  • Profile photo of Nathan Kondala Nathan Kondala @srivenr

    Hi ,

    I am from PSIR, Working professional. I actually teach IR for PSIR Optional students. I have written mains in 2015,, missed the cutoff in the margins

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      @srivenr How do you suggest we go ahead? Paper 1 section 1? Political thinkers?

    • Profile photo of Nathan Kondala Nathan Kondala @srivenr

      Lets start with the Static syllabus. The Thinkers and that too Western political thinkers. In a day or two let me come up with the time schedule and then we can work around it. What say ??

    • Profile photo of Nancy Drew Nancy Drew @nancydrew

      Yes, lets start with the western political thinkers. How about having week-wise plans starting Nov 1?

    • Profile photo of Nathan Kondala Nathan Kondala @srivenr

      Done

  • Profile photo of Nancy Drew Nancy Drew @nancydrew

    Hi people. PSIR optional. Work full-time with a think tank, so I am sufficiently equipped with the IR part as my job requires me to be well-versed with the current happenings. WOuld be more than happy to help you all (and myself) with the paper. I am almost done with the first reading for Paper 1. Would like to contribute to any such group as has been proposed here.

  • Profile photo of McLovin McLovin @mclovin-mclovin

    My optional is also PSIR. No mains experience. I have not completed the syllabus but will try to contribute whenever I can.

  • Profile photo of Ayushi Ayushi @ayushisingh1393

    @kunalaggarwal Count me in.
    Are we going to start with paper 1 section A i.e political theory?
    Willing to post past year questions on a set time daily but we need a time table first.

    • Profile photo of Kunal Aggarwal Kunal Aggarwal @kunalaggarwal

      @ayushisingh1393

      I have never appeared for mains and I think we need someone who has appeared atleast once. Have you?

      I know basics and can help prepare a timetable. Paper 1 section A is what needs most time also I think 😀

    • Profile photo of Jitin Sharma Jitin Sharma @jitinsharma

      Guys how about Whatsapp group?? Me:9990002168.

    • Profile photo of Amol Ghatole Amol Ghatole @amolghatole

      Hi I also have a psir optional I can also contribute

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